https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/index.php?a=rssfeed&t=1257 The largest Smaug community resource site. - en SmaugMuds 60 https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14728#p14728 Heh. My inbox sees very little of that sort of thing. The bug reports end up on the forums one way or another. I'd much rather leave crappy broken protocols out of the codebase. I kept MSP because it actually seems to work right. Zugg should have been more careful no to hose MXP. https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14728#p14728 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:31:09 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (Samson) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14727#p14727 [quote=DavidHaley]I don't see why it should be a snippet and not just a toggle option in the settings... seems like it does no harm if it just sits there inactive, whereas having to go through installing snippets is tedious at best.[/quote] Only because it removes to onus of support from the codebase maintainer. If MXP becomes a snippet, it drops to a category of being use-at-your-own-risk, and even allows someone else who feels the need to actively maintain that system to take over support. https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14727#p14727 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:02:01 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (Quixadhal) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14726#p14726 It was my experience that Zmud would actually break stuff on valid MXP that worked in Mushclient, Mudmagic's client, and Kmuddy. But that's a bit like valid HTML working in Firefox, Opera, and Safari only to have it not work in IE and have everyone tell you you did it wrong because IE isn't displaying it right. But I think Quixadhal already made that point. Bottom line is that until Zmud pulls an IE8 and goes standards compliance on us, I'm not touching it. https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14726#p14726 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:21:24 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (Samson) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14725#p14725 I thought the problem with MXP was the other way around: ZMud accepts things that it shouldn't, and so it "fixes" a bad server implementation. MUSHclient won't accept the bad MXP, and so MUSHclient appears broken. I wasn't under the impression that ZMud actually fails to respect correct MXP tags. [quote=Quixadhal]If it's possible to turn it into a snippet, that would probably be the best choice.[/quote] I don't see why it should be a snippet and not just a toggle option in the settings... se https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14725#p14725 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:12:20 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (David Haley) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14724#p14724 The problem is, if you support the correct standard, people who connect with the incorrect client will pester you with "bug reports", since things don't look right to them. One of my early attempts at doing contract work was to write the database logic in some PHP pages, which would later have pretty buttons and such added by the web designer. Well, it turned out the web designer couldn't actually READ PHP code, and thus had no clue how to integrate their artwork into my code. Sooo, they tr https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14724#p14724 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:59:55 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (Quixadhal) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14722#p14722 Why not leave it in but just conform to the standard? ZMud can meet the standard, it's just that it also meets things that don't conform. But the advantage to meeting it is that clients like MUSHclient (that are sane) can benefit from it too... https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14722#p14722 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:18:19 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (David Haley) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14721#p14721 I already pulled it out. Middle ground does little good when the support for it from the author is so awful. https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14721#p14721 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:14:07 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (Samson) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14720#p14720 I remember there being MXP support on Alsherok.. did you by chance turn it off? Or maybe it was already ripped out. https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14720#p14720 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:03:52 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (InfiniteAxis) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14719#p14719 emote whines about mxp not being on alsherok already. I do hope that mxp support (as is) will remain an option perhaps through cset or make options? (begs for middle ground) even if it's not developed further? https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14719#p14719 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:29:12 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (ransom) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14716#p14716 So in other words, because Zmud has been the IE of MUD clients, MXP has been more or less totally fubared? That would be about the extent of it from trying to support it with AFKMud :) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/is-mxp-worth-continued-support-1257/&p=14716#p14716 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:33:49 CDT AFKMud Support & Development nobody@example.com (Samson)