https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/index.php?a=rssfeed&t=4228 The largest Smaug community resource site. - en SmaugMuds 60 https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19597#p19597 I think that is an issue that is faced when you make massive changes to a base. I've found that manytimes (At least in the SWR community), when a MUD opens and it has some major modifications to the look and feel (ie statless, level-less etc) many players are hesitant to try them and those who do seem to rarely stick around. There are exceptions to this, but its a trend I've seen. https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19597#p19597 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:43:46 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (Keirath) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19596#p19596 Well, too much innovation can make it difficult to attract people (players, administrators, whatever) to your game, because they'll have a set of expectations; this will make it very jarring for them as those expectations are challenged (even if the new game is indeed arguably superior). https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19596#p19596 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:33:02 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (David Haley) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19595#p19595 [quote]I have relatively little interest personally in building an entire Smaug clone from scratch; if I'm going to build something from scratch it will change several fundamental assumptions. For example, the command security model will be quite different. I suppose one could make a Smaug-gameplay clone, nevermind that the administration side to it is quite different. [/quote] If I write a MUD from scratch, I fully intend for it to be vastly different from SMAUG. Perhaps the same feel, but https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19595#p19595 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:58:02 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (Keirath) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19594#p19594 I can work (am already working, as time permits due to work etc.) on SmaugFUSS++ which to me basically means Smaug + Lua, with C++ thrown in where I find it expedient/beneficial to do so. My interest is mainly due to the following: 1- "see, you can do it" 2- learning experience (for me and others) While I think it would help SmaugFUSS as a codebase to have this stuff, I don't really know how useful it is to have a release out there. The majority of people who are serious about running MUDs https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19594#p19594 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:45:36 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (David Haley) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19593#p19593 @thread Creating a SmaugWars (tm) branch sounds great on paper. The SWR team did a good bit of hardcoding Star Wars stuff into the code, but it would certainly be possible to "fake" most of it. The important thing is that it retains the SWR feel from the players' perspective, right? It does beg an obvious question, though. Who will do it? The initial workload for merging SWR code into Smaug in a reasonably clean fashion would be formidable (add to that thorough testing). In the long run it wo https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19593#p19593 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:09:50 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (Caius) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19592#p19592 Sorry I'm late to the discussion. I got married Saturday and have been on my honeymoon. Regardless, I'm going to also say that there is no reason to apologize. So, I also am the type that regularly finds myself completely uninterested in working with any DIKU based MUD. However, it is what I learned to program on so I find my programming knowledge to be rather limited. I've really only ever worked on the SWR/FOTE branches, and have only tinkered on SMAUG. Recently, I've had a similar https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19592#p19592 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:21:23 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (Keirath) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19524#p19524 [quote=Tonitrus]If the features were modular in nature, this would be irrelevant, people could just use what modules they want. [/quote] Making some features modular is possible. Making core changes like code design modular is, well, not possible. And some things are "possible" but also "far more trouble than it's worth". [quote=Quixadhal]In the end, we forked the Ice branch specifically to remain pure C, and you know how much interest remained? None. All the folks who argued so hard to ke https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19524#p19524 Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:27:55 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (David Haley) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19523#p19523 [quote=Tonitrus]"Just scrap the Star Wars derivatives and merge their useful features into FUSS."[/quote] Which is certainly a valid option, and one I'd fully support as probably the easiest of the solutions involving actual work. [quote]Actually Tonitrus fell in with a bad crowd and got addicted to python.[/quote] Oh, the humanity! Of all the other languages I've seen and poked at, I have to say Python is right down there in the trash bin just above the slime at the bottom known as Per https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19523#p19523 Wed, 9 Dec 2009 03:14:28 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (Samson) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19522#p19522 I wasn't actually going to comment on any of this, but you mentioned me. All I was going to say anyway was "I'm not sure anything really counts as 'unbecoming behavior' for someone who willingly undertakes a task like maintaining a Diku-derivative." and "Just scrap the Star Wars derivatives and merge their useful features into FUSS." [quote=David Haley]Indeed, it is quite possible that people will not want a fancy-pants feature-laden version, and will still want their plain ol' distributio https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19522#p19522 Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:51:23 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (Tonitrus) https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19521#p19521 No they don't. Which is one of the biggest problems I have with Diku and it's ilk. https://smaugmuds.afkmods.com/topic/an-apology-an-explanation-and-a-proposal-4228/&p=19521#p19521 Wed, 9 Dec 2009 01:45:37 CST General Discussions nobody@example.com (InfiniteAxis)